Comments on: The women still in the race http://angrybrownbutch.com/2008/08/04/the-women-still-in-the-race/ politics, media, culture and life from a queer boricua in brooklyn Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:40:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Butch Fatale http://angrybrownbutch.com/2008/08/04/the-women-still-in-the-race/#comment-53014 Butch Fatale Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:23:59 +0000 http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/?p=226#comment-53014 I've spent a little too much time this cycle pontificating about how the best thing for the Green party would be a stronger libertarian party. Because if there were another party to the right of the republicans that actually won seats, the democrats wouldn't have as much of an argument about spoiling. That's the theory, anyway. I know reality's a little more complicated. And having four viable parties creates some seriously strange alliances: witness Germany. But it's interesting to think about, particularly when I have those moments myself of hearing Obama talk about the death penalty for child rape, or opening up oil stores and sighing a deep sigh and wishing for more options. Even if it just meant that there are only two viable candidates, but they're required to actually struggle with issues in a more complex way. I’ve spent a little too much time this cycle pontificating about how the best thing for the Green party would be a stronger libertarian party. Because if there were another party to the right of the republicans that actually won seats, the democrats wouldn’t have as much of an argument about spoiling. That’s the theory, anyway. I know reality’s a little more complicated. And having four viable parties creates some seriously strange alliances: witness Germany. But it’s interesting to think about, particularly when I have those moments myself of hearing Obama talk about the death penalty for child rape, or opening up oil stores and sighing a deep sigh and wishing for more options. Even if it just meant that there are only two viable candidates, but they’re required to actually struggle with issues in a more complex way.

]]> By: Richard http://angrybrownbutch.com/2008/08/04/the-women-still-in-the-race/#comment-52955 Richard Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:21:28 +0000 http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/?p=226#comment-52955 Why Hesitate? I vote what I believe in. Either I believe in McKinney and Clemente or I don't. Obama is moving to far to the right for me and its scary. As far as LGBT rights let's keep the Green parties feet to the fire and demand that they respond. I am leary that Obama will pull a Bill Clinton on us queers. But what worries me the most is the kinder and gentler capitalism of the Greens. Can we as leftists defeat that? Why Hesitate? I vote what I believe in. Either I believe in McKinney and Clemente or I don’t. Obama is moving to far to the right for me and its scary. As far as LGBT rights let’s keep the Green parties feet to the fire and demand that they respond. I am leary that Obama will pull a Bill Clinton on us queers. But what worries me the most is the kinder and gentler capitalism of the Greens. Can we as leftists defeat that?

]]> By: Alas, a blog » Blog Archive » Our open thread and my open tabs (over 50% Jewish links edition!) http://angrybrownbutch.com/2008/08/04/the-women-still-in-the-race/#comment-52850 Alas, a blog » Blog Archive » Our open thread and my open tabs (over 50% Jewish links edition!) Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:00:24 +0000 http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/?p=226#comment-52850 [...] part of the reason I’m planning to vote for McKinney and Clemente, the only all-woman-of-color ticket in the race. Of course, I live in a “safe [...] [...] part of the reason I’m planning to vote for McKinney and Clemente, the only all-woman-of-color ticket in the race. Of course, I live in a “safe [...]

]]> By: Jack http://angrybrownbutch.com/2008/08/04/the-women-still-in-the-race/#comment-52771 Jack Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:34:09 +0000 http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/?p=226#comment-52771 @Ecosanda: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting" rel="nofollow">instant runoff voting</a> would be brilliant. Thanks for the link to American Blackout, didn’t know that was available online! I think this part of what you wrote is key: <blockquote>So little media converage is controling what people get to hear about in this country. If you think that about half the folks don’t even vote because they are so disenchanted with the political process, you know that third parties could have a chance, even before electoral reform, if media would let our voices be heard.</blockquote> @Elena Perez: Great post on the California NOW blog. A vote for McCain would be an <em>awful</em> feminist protest vote (though I actually think that such votes are going to be more rarer than the media would like us to believe.) And I love that picture of McCain! Thanks to all other commenters so far. @Ecosanda: instant runoff voting would be brilliant. Thanks for the link to American Blackout, didn’t know that was available online!

I think this part of what you wrote is key:

So little media converage is controling what people get to hear about in this country. If you think that about half the folks don’t even vote because they are so disenchanted with the political process, you know that third parties could have a chance, even before electoral reform, if media would let our voices be heard.

@Elena Perez: Great post on the California NOW blog. A vote for McCain would be an awful feminist protest vote (though I actually think that such votes are going to be more rarer than the media would like us to believe.) And I love that picture of McCain!

Thanks to all other commenters so far.

]]> By: Stephanie http://angrybrownbutch.com/2008/08/04/the-women-still-in-the-race/#comment-52762 Stephanie Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:53:37 +0000 http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/?p=226#comment-52762 This post mirrors all of the same feelings that I am having about who to vote for in November. I'm in a very Blue state, so I want to vote for McKinney/Clemente, but I might not be able to make a decision until the final hour either (that, and I actually had a nightmare that McCain won the election last night). This post mirrors all of the same feelings that I am having about who to vote for in November. I’m in a very Blue state, so I want to vote for McKinney/Clemente, but I might not be able to make a decision until the final hour either (that, and I actually had a nightmare that McCain won the election last night).

]]> By: Elena Perez http://angrybrownbutch.com/2008/08/04/the-women-still-in-the-race/#comment-52758 Elena Perez Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:55:18 +0000 http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/?p=226#comment-52758 I already commented on this at Feministe, but again, thanks for the reminder about the Green Party ticket, and it led me to link to them in a post about McCain's record over at the CA NOW blog: http://www.canow.org/canoworg/2008/08/misogyny-yee-ha.html I already commented on this at Feministe, but again, thanks for the reminder about the Green Party ticket, and it led me to link to them in a post about McCain’s record over at the CA NOW blog: http://www.canow.org/canoworg/2008/08/misogyny-yee-ha.html

]]> By: Cynthia and Rosa make news: Feministe and AngryBrownButch « http://angrybrownbutch.com/2008/08/04/the-women-still-in-the-race/#comment-52746 Cynthia and Rosa make news: Feministe and AngryBrownButch « Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:26:36 +0000 http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/?p=226#comment-52746 [...] and Rosa Clemente, and the uniqueness of their all woman-of-color Presidential ticket appears in AngryBrownButch, cross-posted at Feministe. AngryBrownButch blog presents “politics, media, culture and life [...] [...] and Rosa Clemente, and the uniqueness of their all woman-of-color Presidential ticket appears in AngryBrownButch, cross-posted at Feministe. AngryBrownButch blog presents “politics, media, culture and life [...]

]]> By: Hannah http://angrybrownbutch.com/2008/08/04/the-women-still-in-the-race/#comment-52742 Hannah Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:56:30 +0000 http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/?p=226#comment-52742 Thank you so much for posting this, i know that living in a swing state where to place my vote is something that I think about and struggle with everyday. I hope that come november I have the courage to vote for McKinney and Clemente... Thank you so much for posting this, i know that living in a swing state where to place my vote is something that I think about and struggle with everyday. I hope that come november I have the courage to vote for McKinney and Clemente…

]]> By: Ecosanda http://angrybrownbutch.com/2008/08/04/the-women-still-in-the-race/#comment-52740 Ecosanda Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:45:28 +0000 http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/?p=226#comment-52740 Thanks for a very thoughtful piece about my candidates, and about the whole dilemma of lesser evilism. Yes, electoral reform is the key...the Democrats really could stop the whole thing and support IRV. They could have my vote in second place, or maybe third after a socialist. But they don't, they would rather whine and call us spoilers, forgetting that Clinton probably got elected because Perot "spoiled" for the Republicans. If you really want to know about who spoiled in 2000, watch "American Blackout", now available totally online http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5965670944815984616 or see http://www.gp.org/organize/spoiled.html or read lots on fairvote.org I was on the stage at the convention with Cynthia and Rosa and it was a truly inspiring afternoon. If only their message would get out, I am sure the votes would increase, perhaps even reaching that so important 5%. So media converage is controling what people get to hear about in this country. If you think that about half the folks don't even vote because they are so disenchanted with the political process, you know that third parties could have a chance, even before electoral reform, if media would let our voices be heard. Thanks for a very thoughtful piece about my candidates, and about the whole dilemma of lesser evilism. Yes, electoral reform is the key…the Democrats really could stop the whole thing and support IRV. They could have my vote in second place, or maybe third after a socialist. But they don’t, they would rather whine and call us spoilers, forgetting that Clinton probably got elected because Perot “spoiled” for the Republicans. If you really want to know about who spoiled in 2000, watch “American Blackout”, now available totally online http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5965670944815984616 or see http://www.gp.org/organize/spoiled.html or read lots on fairvote.org

I was on the stage at the convention with Cynthia and Rosa and it was a truly inspiring afternoon. If only their message would get out, I am sure the votes would increase, perhaps even reaching that so important 5%. So media converage is controling what people get to hear about in this country. If you think that about half the folks don’t even vote because they are so disenchanted with the political process, you know that third parties could have a chance, even before electoral reform, if media would let our voices be heard.

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