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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
		<link>http://angrybrownbutch.com/2006/06/09/more-thoughts-on-gentrification/#comment-50025</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 23:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m white, and I live in Harlem. I&#039;ve also lived in East Harlem, and loved both. I&#039;m from out of state, so no, I can&#039;t go &quot;back&quot; down town. Could someone please provide directions to the neighborhood that I can afford &amp; call home? Of course I don&#039;t want to be the cause of people being pushed out of their homes, but the current housing market is what it is and I refuse to take responsibility for it because of the color of my skin. I acknowledge the facts, but the anti-white message that I&#039;m hearing too often implies that my 2 black roommates have a right to live in our apt., but I don&#039;t. And if we&#039;re placing blame, then we should remember that there are people of color making a pretty penny selling their real estate in gentrifying neighborhoods and never looking back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m white, and I live in Harlem. I&#8217;ve also lived in East Harlem, and loved both. I&#8217;m from out of state, so no, I can&#8217;t go &#8220;back&#8221; down town. Could someone please provide directions to the neighborhood that I can afford &amp; call home? Of course I don&#8217;t want to be the cause of people being pushed out of their homes, but the current housing market is what it is and I refuse to take responsibility for it because of the color of my skin. I acknowledge the facts, but the anti-white message that I&#8217;m hearing too often implies that my 2 black roommates have a right to live in our apt., but I don&#8217;t. And if we&#8217;re placing blame, then we should remember that there are people of color making a pretty penny selling their real estate in gentrifying neighborhoods and never looking back.</p>
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		<title>By: Gina</title>
		<link>http://angrybrownbutch.com/2006/06/09/more-thoughts-on-gentrification/#comment-29371</link>
		<dc:creator>Gina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am from Arizona and this is happenign all over the state here.  People form California (equity refugees) are moving every where in this state and the natives of Arizona can&#039;t compete with there wealth or equity from their homes.  they have driven home prices up to rediculous levels.  California developers build trct homes and the same stores and restuarants.  PHX has no where left to grow so they began building in Sout Phoenix and downtown, which was grossly ignored before the housing boom.  They are destroying my home with no regrad to the people that live here or the environment.  Arizona is a desert.  Now they buy their vacation homes int he smaller communities and have completly outpriced the locals.  Greed and Extravegance are great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am from Arizona and this is happenign all over the state here.  People form California (equity refugees) are moving every where in this state and the natives of Arizona can&#8217;t compete with there wealth or equity from their homes.  they have driven home prices up to rediculous levels.  California developers build trct homes and the same stores and restuarants.  PHX has no where left to grow so they began building in Sout Phoenix and downtown, which was grossly ignored before the housing boom.  They are destroying my home with no regrad to the people that live here or the environment.  Arizona is a desert.  Now they buy their vacation homes int he smaller communities and have completly outpriced the locals.  Greed and Extravegance are great.</p>
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		<title>By: Ebony</title>
		<link>http://angrybrownbutch.com/2006/06/09/more-thoughts-on-gentrification/#comment-10819</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 02:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am from New York City. My mother was born and raised in Harlem in Drew Hamliton Projects. If you are from New York you know where Drew Hamilton is. I am disgusted with the invasion of white people in Harlem. I am not racist but I am proud of Harlem. I like the idea of segregation in Harlem. It&#039;s not Harlem without black people, the same goes for New Orleans. White people have every neighborhood from A street to 96th street as well as Inwood. Why do they need Spanish Harlem, Harlem, and Washington Heights. These people can live anywhere in the 5 boroughs but choose to move to Harlem. They treat this area as if it was nothing before they got there, as if people didn&#039;t reside in this area prior to them moving in. They don&#039;t understand the value of this area. Not to mention Harlem is not like areas such as Detroit and cities in Chicago. We do not need white people to make Harlem prosperous. Businesses choose not to put anything in Harlem because they feel that because Harlem is largely black, no one has any money. Which is false. I am saddened by the population of white people moving in. My mom deals with these people because she works in a place where she sells rich white people expensive bath products for their home. They don&#039;t understand why black people within the community are upset. They are oblivious and most of them don&#039;t care or they thought that large groups of black would enjoy their company. I don&#039;t. Harlem will become predominantly white especially since manhattan is turning into a buy only zone. Renters will be pushed out and unfortunately there are those black who people don&#039;t have the means to purchase their own homes. I am away at college and my mom live on the upper east side but I am now trying to save money so that I can move to Harlem with my mom. I want to do my part as much as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am from New York City. My mother was born and raised in Harlem in Drew Hamliton Projects. If you are from New York you know where Drew Hamilton is. I am disgusted with the invasion of white people in Harlem. I am not racist but I am proud of Harlem. I like the idea of segregation in Harlem. It&#8217;s not Harlem without black people, the same goes for New Orleans. White people have every neighborhood from A street to 96th street as well as Inwood. Why do they need Spanish Harlem, Harlem, and Washington Heights. These people can live anywhere in the 5 boroughs but choose to move to Harlem. They treat this area as if it was nothing before they got there, as if people didn&#8217;t reside in this area prior to them moving in. They don&#8217;t understand the value of this area. Not to mention Harlem is not like areas such as Detroit and cities in Chicago. We do not need white people to make Harlem prosperous. Businesses choose not to put anything in Harlem because they feel that because Harlem is largely black, no one has any money. Which is false. I am saddened by the population of white people moving in. My mom deals with these people because she works in a place where she sells rich white people expensive bath products for their home. They don&#8217;t understand why black people within the community are upset. They are oblivious and most of them don&#8217;t care or they thought that large groups of black would enjoy their company. I don&#8217;t. Harlem will become predominantly white especially since manhattan is turning into a buy only zone. Renters will be pushed out and unfortunately there are those black who people don&#8217;t have the means to purchase their own homes. I am away at college and my mom live on the upper east side but I am now trying to save money so that I can move to Harlem with my mom. I want to do my part as much as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: greg mi</title>
		<link>http://angrybrownbutch.com/2006/06/09/more-thoughts-on-gentrification/#comment-8717</link>
		<dc:creator>greg mi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, well, as a white person who sees more black people in my neighborhood than white people, i now realize that i am a monster and will now go kill myself because i don&#039;t want to live around white people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, well, as a white person who sees more black people in my neighborhood than white people, i now realize that i am a monster and will now go kill myself because i don&#8217;t want to live around white people.</p>
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		<title>By: Tenda</title>
		<link>http://angrybrownbutch.com/2006/06/09/more-thoughts-on-gentrification/#comment-5151</link>
		<dc:creator>Tenda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it worse in Paris? The ghettos are in the suburbs, and they got absolutely no way of getting out, and moving up, and moving into the city. And of course, the poor ain&#039;t white.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it worse in Paris? The ghettos are in the suburbs, and they got absolutely no way of getting out, and moving up, and moving into the city. And of course, the poor ain&#8217;t white.</p>
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		<title>By: AngryBrownButch &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Since apparently my many previous clarifications weren&#8217;t enough</title>
		<link>http://angrybrownbutch.com/2006/06/09/more-thoughts-on-gentrification/#comment-5094</link>
		<dc:creator>AngryBrownButch &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Since apparently my many previous clarifications weren&#8217;t enough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I felt like I clarified this before in &#8220;more thoughts on gentrification,&#8221;, but I&#8217;ll try again: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I felt like I clarified this before in &#8220;more thoughts on gentrification,&#8221;, but I&#8217;ll try again: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Frowner</title>
		<link>http://angrybrownbutch.com/2006/06/09/more-thoughts-on-gentrification/#comment-5061</link>
		<dc:creator>Frowner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What frustrates me about white people&#039;s discourse around gentrification is that it&#039;s always this frustrating mixture of too-abstract and too-concrete...on the one hand, this discourse treats race as &quot;immaterial&quot;--that is, if we all just decide not to be racist why then everything will be great, which is why &quot;segregation isn&#039;t the answer&quot;.  What we should all be working for is that magical moment of either liberal epiphany or class/Marxist epiphany:  &quot;all people are one&quot; or &quot;all workers are one&quot;, and THAT&#039;S how we&#039;ll win.  (&quot;We&quot; in this case is generally middle class college-educated white folks who don&#039;t have much money because they&#039;re in grad school or just starting their careers...they may have a tender conscience, but time and money will take care of that) Or too concrete in the &quot;I just love my neighbor POC X and she just loves me to and we&#039;ve really bonded over X &quot;authentic&quot; cultural thing and therefore I belong here&quot;. Now, it seems reasonable to me that IF white people really did stop being racist AND they banded together with POC to make material changes to how society works, then that would probably be the best of all possible worlds.  But speaking as a white person who&#039;s observed a lot of white people in my short life, I&#039;m not holding my breath.  Therefore, I think the principle of &quot;first do no harm&quot; ought to prevail amongst white people who have choices--that may mean not moving into gentrifying neighborhoods, and it virtually certainly means not patronizing those stupid bars and restaurants that get brought in as soon as white people move in.  Given really-existing conditions, I think it&#039;s pretty reasonable to want the white people to stay out.  

As far as mixed-income developments go, I don&#039;t know how things are in fair New York City, but here in Minneapolis the way it works is this: find one of the few remaining public housing projects, especially if it&#039;s a really nice one that isn&#039;t just a couple of towers.  Evict as many people as possible under false pretences.  Declare that you will be replacing the project with a &quot;mixed income development&quot; that will contain a large proportion of low-income housing.  Evict everyone else.  Bulldoze everything.  Have lots of construction delays and kickbacks and corruption charges, so that everyone who was evicted has left town, found somewhere else, or become homeless. Build a &quot;mixed income development&quot; with maybe 5% low-income housing. 

Minneapolis has lost lots and lots of low income housing through repeats of this process.  It&#039;s crap.  &quot;Mixed development&quot; means nothing unless it&#039;s really designed to house as many people as need to be housed.  

One of the reasons this society rewards home ownership as it does is because homeownership is skewed towards white and middle class people.  Things are different in Europe--hell, things are different in Singapore!  And honestly, this country wouldn&#039;t have so much of a &quot;pull yourself up by your bootstraps&quot; attitude if there were more white people on the bottom of the heap (to mix a metaphor).  It&#039;s not enough to say that class trumps race, any more than it trumps gender.  Class, race, and gender intersect/co-mingle/reinforce.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What frustrates me about white people&#8217;s discourse around gentrification is that it&#8217;s always this frustrating mixture of too-abstract and too-concrete&#8230;on the one hand, this discourse treats race as &#8220;immaterial&#8221;&#8211;that is, if we all just decide not to be racist why then everything will be great, which is why &#8220;segregation isn&#8217;t the answer&#8221;.  What we should all be working for is that magical moment of either liberal epiphany or class/Marxist epiphany:  &#8220;all people are one&#8221; or &#8220;all workers are one&#8221;, and THAT&#8217;S how we&#8217;ll win.  (&#8220;We&#8221; in this case is generally middle class college-educated white folks who don&#8217;t have much money because they&#8217;re in grad school or just starting their careers&#8230;they may have a tender conscience, but time and money will take care of that) Or too concrete in the &#8220;I just love my neighbor POC X and she just loves me to and we&#8217;ve really bonded over X &#8220;authentic&#8221; cultural thing and therefore I belong here&#8221;. Now, it seems reasonable to me that IF white people really did stop being racist AND they banded together with POC to make material changes to how society works, then that would probably be the best of all possible worlds.  But speaking as a white person who&#8217;s observed a lot of white people in my short life, I&#8217;m not holding my breath.  Therefore, I think the principle of &#8220;first do no harm&#8221; ought to prevail amongst white people who have choices&#8211;that may mean not moving into gentrifying neighborhoods, and it virtually certainly means not patronizing those stupid bars and restaurants that get brought in as soon as white people move in.  Given really-existing conditions, I think it&#8217;s pretty reasonable to want the white people to stay out.  </p>
<p>As far as mixed-income developments go, I don&#8217;t know how things are in fair New York City, but here in Minneapolis the way it works is this: find one of the few remaining public housing projects, especially if it&#8217;s a really nice one that isn&#8217;t just a couple of towers.  Evict as many people as possible under false pretences.  Declare that you will be replacing the project with a &#8220;mixed income development&#8221; that will contain a large proportion of low-income housing.  Evict everyone else.  Bulldoze everything.  Have lots of construction delays and kickbacks and corruption charges, so that everyone who was evicted has left town, found somewhere else, or become homeless. Build a &#8220;mixed income development&#8221; with maybe 5% low-income housing. </p>
<p>Minneapolis has lost lots and lots of low income housing through repeats of this process.  It&#8217;s crap.  &#8220;Mixed development&#8221; means nothing unless it&#8217;s really designed to house as many people as need to be housed.  </p>
<p>One of the reasons this society rewards home ownership as it does is because homeownership is skewed towards white and middle class people.  Things are different in Europe&#8211;hell, things are different in Singapore!  And honestly, this country wouldn&#8217;t have so much of a &#8220;pull yourself up by your bootstraps&#8221; attitude if there were more white people on the bottom of the heap (to mix a metaphor).  It&#8217;s not enough to say that class trumps race, any more than it trumps gender.  Class, race, and gender intersect/co-mingle/reinforce.</p>
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		<title>By: Doyle Saylor</title>
		<link>http://angrybrownbutch.com/2006/06/09/more-thoughts-on-gentrification/#comment-5060</link>
		<dc:creator>Doyle Saylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I&#039;m not sure the trend is for mixed income neighborhoods.  There is an article today in the San Francisco Chronicle here:  http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/06/22/MNG6HJIDMM1.DTL

What is going on is an intensified divide between the rich and poor.  It&#039;s racist in two ways.  The bulk of wealth is in &#039;white&#039; hands.  The racism in the poor is still virulent, and the key element is white racism.  In the long long run as people mix it more or less unity occurs as long as the state doesn&#039;t stoke racist divisions.  No one can take that for granted because the U.S. is not above making anyone the demon.

Over all step by step a very deep class divide is being constructed in the U.S.  The chief way to maintain it is racism.  It is in the interest of those with bottom to unite with higher layers if some sort of principled structure can be built upon those rotten racist or sexist ideologies.
thanks,
Doyle Saylor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I&#8217;m not sure the trend is for mixed income neighborhoods.  There is an article today in the San Francisco Chronicle here:  <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/06/22/MNG6HJIDMM1.DTL" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/06/22/MNG6HJIDMM1.DTL</a></p>
<p>What is going on is an intensified divide between the rich and poor.  It&#8217;s racist in two ways.  The bulk of wealth is in &#8216;white&#8217; hands.  The racism in the poor is still virulent, and the key element is white racism.  In the long long run as people mix it more or less unity occurs as long as the state doesn&#8217;t stoke racist divisions.  No one can take that for granted because the U.S. is not above making anyone the demon.</p>
<p>Over all step by step a very deep class divide is being constructed in the U.S.  The chief way to maintain it is racism.  It is in the interest of those with bottom to unite with higher layers if some sort of principled structure can be built upon those rotten racist or sexist ideologies.<br />
thanks,<br />
Doyle Saylor</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://angrybrownbutch.com/2006/06/09/more-thoughts-on-gentrification/#comment-5047</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 23:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this thought-provoking post - I found it via Technorati after blogging on the same topic (my name above will link to the post).

Renters will always experience inherent instability in housing. If prices go up, you can get priced out. If prices were to go down, you could find a bigger, cheaper place. Unfortunately, rent hardly ever goes down in cities. Sucks, I know. But that&#039;s only one way in which our society distributes heavy rewards to those who own the property they live on. In other words, these people are targeted not because they are poor or black, but because they do not own their homes.

For homeowners who struggle to pay rising property taxes, I have a simple solution: allow people to defer their property taxes until they sell their home. If a retiree bought their home for $50,000 decades ago, and it&#039;s now worth $750,000, they&#039;d be paying some wicked property taxes each year. However, when the home is sold (when they die or move away), they stand to pocket several hundred thousand dollars, so they&#039;d be able to pay the taxes easily. There&#039;s no reason the government couldn&#039;t wait a few years to get its tax money.

I understand the racial tensions around gentrification, but I wonder if the &quot;we need our own neighborhood&quot; mentality is outdated. For some un-gentrified neighborhoods, the lack of white people means the city can get away with allowing conditions to be awful. It also means people grow up knowing only the ghetto, and don&#039;t get a clear sense of what it means to live in the larger society. Consequently, they don&#039;t have a vision for any kind of life other than poverty and violence. This is certainly not the case for everyone in these neighborhoods, but it is a large-scale phenomenon, and gentrification can reduce it.

The current trend is toward mixed-income, or economically integrated, land use. For example, there is a huge housing development going up near me, consisting of market-priced homes, purchase-assistance homes, and public housing. They&#039;re all the same; the only difference is who gets to live there. It&#039;s replacing an enormous public housing project, which had become dilapidated and crime-ridden. I&#039;m sure most of the market-priced homes will be purchased by white people, and this will lead to gentrification, but I think most people would be better off in an economically mixed neighborhood than an all-poor neighborhood.

I&#039;d be interested to hear your thoughts, either here or on my post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this thought-provoking post &#8211; I found it via Technorati after blogging on the same topic (my name above will link to the post).</p>
<p>Renters will always experience inherent instability in housing. If prices go up, you can get priced out. If prices were to go down, you could find a bigger, cheaper place. Unfortunately, rent hardly ever goes down in cities. Sucks, I know. But that&#8217;s only one way in which our society distributes heavy rewards to those who own the property they live on. In other words, these people are targeted not because they are poor or black, but because they do not own their homes.</p>
<p>For homeowners who struggle to pay rising property taxes, I have a simple solution: allow people to defer their property taxes until they sell their home. If a retiree bought their home for $50,000 decades ago, and it&#8217;s now worth $750,000, they&#8217;d be paying some wicked property taxes each year. However, when the home is sold (when they die or move away), they stand to pocket several hundred thousand dollars, so they&#8217;d be able to pay the taxes easily. There&#8217;s no reason the government couldn&#8217;t wait a few years to get its tax money.</p>
<p>I understand the racial tensions around gentrification, but I wonder if the &#8220;we need our own neighborhood&#8221; mentality is outdated. For some un-gentrified neighborhoods, the lack of white people means the city can get away with allowing conditions to be awful. It also means people grow up knowing only the ghetto, and don&#8217;t get a clear sense of what it means to live in the larger society. Consequently, they don&#8217;t have a vision for any kind of life other than poverty and violence. This is certainly not the case for everyone in these neighborhoods, but it is a large-scale phenomenon, and gentrification can reduce it.</p>
<p>The current trend is toward mixed-income, or economically integrated, land use. For example, there is a huge housing development going up near me, consisting of market-priced homes, purchase-assistance homes, and public housing. They&#8217;re all the same; the only difference is who gets to live there. It&#8217;s replacing an enormous public housing project, which had become dilapidated and crime-ridden. I&#8217;m sure most of the market-priced homes will be purchased by white people, and this will lead to gentrification, but I think most people would be better off in an economically mixed neighborhood than an all-poor neighborhood.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be interested to hear your thoughts, either here or on my post.</p>
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		<title>By: Tenda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tenda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think gentrification harms poor whites just as much as poor minorities. It&#039;s about class as much as it is race.</description>
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